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Marco councilman vows to fight charges

A Marco Island city councilman will fight what his attorney calls politically motivated charges that he broke the state’s public records laws.

Stephen Ostrow, the Marco-based attorney for Councilman Chuck Kiester, said he doesn’t believe Kiester did anything wrong when he deleted e-mails related to city business from his home e-mail account and will contest charges filed by Assistant State Attorney Dean Plattner this month.

“It’s a travesty to waste the time and effort of the state’s attorney on a piece of junk like this,” Ostrow said.

Following a public records request by a Marco Island resident in March, Kiester, 67, admitted he regularly deleted e-mails related to city business from his computer, prompting a formal complaint filed with the Collier County Sheriff’s Office.

Based on that investigation, the state charged Kiester with a non-criminal violation for failing to maintain, preserve or allow inspection of public records for a year following his taking office in March 2006.

Florida open records experts have said they believe Kiester’s case would be the first where the state has charged a public official for violating records laws solely based on deleting e-mails relating to city business from home accounts, as the charges seem to indicate.

Multiple state attorney general opinions have maintained for 11 years that such e-mails should be considered public records.

But Ostrow said the attorney general opinions weren’t relevant in Kiester’s situation and instead other factors were more important.

“I think it’s strictly a political situation,” Ostrow said.

Ostrow declined to elaborate, but Kiester often takes a contrarian view toward many issues before City Council and is the most vocal council member in opposition to plans to install a citywide sewer system.

The resident who filed the complaint against Kiester, Sal Sciarrino, has said his complaint was a response to a similar one filed by two anti-sewer residents against former council members who supported sewers.

Two Marco residents, who according to the sheriff’s incident report accompanied Sciarrino when he filed his complaint, John Arceri and Monte Lazarus, are major sewer advocates.

The sheriff’s incident report also shows Marco City Clerk Laura Litzan warned Kiester and other council members that e-mails about city business on home accounts were public records 10 months before the Kiester complaint was filed. Kiester has said he doesn’t remember Litzan’s e-mail or his reply to it.

The charges against Kiester were the first for public records or Government in the Sunshine Law violations against a sitting municipal official in Collier County in at least 15 years, officials from local government agencies have said.

The state’s public records laws refer to public access to materials made or received by an agency relating to official business. Government in the Sunshine laws refer to public access to elected officials when they discuss policy matters.

Kiester said he didn’t believe the case would leave a black mark on his record as a councilman.

“When the full story comes out, you’ll understand why I can make a statement like that,” Kiester said. “I don’t feel particularly guilty or bad about what happened. The only thing I feel bad about is the sensationalism that has added to the situation in the city. The city doesn’t need that.”

Kiester has an appearance in Collier County court Feb. 7 before County Judge Mike Carr.

Kiester’s charges are based on an unintentional violation of the public records law and are noncriminal. Kiester faces a maximum $500 fine and isn’t subject to suspension or removal from office.

The penalties could be less severe.

This spring in Monroe County, prosecutors dropped charges of a Sunshine Law violation against two county commissioners who spoke about county business outside a meeting after the pair agreed to attend a Sunshine Law presentation run by the state attorney.

Those types of resolutions are common for noncriminal charges, but public records law violations are usually treated more harshly than Sunshine Law violations, said Sandra Chance, executive director of the University of Florida’s Brechner Center for Freedom of Information.

Chance added the results of this case and cases like it should be important to voters.

“It ought to give pause and concern to citizens who are electing their officials,” Chance said.

“They’re not paying attention to the law and the spirit of the law to keep them aware of official business. I would think voters would want to keep that in mind when going to the polls.”

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John Arceri and Monty Lazarus accompanied Sal Sciarrino to file the charges? Funny thing about John and Monty, they are like bad pennies. Whenever commercial or cooperate interests are threatened they always show up. Whenever real estate interests are threatened they always show up. Whenever the residents become too uppity, they always show up. Whenever their precious sewer project is threatened they show up. I think it's time someone starts to look a little closer at their activities. These two rascals are starting to look like they may have just a little too much influence in our community. When one considers the fact that it was former Councilman Arceri that purchased the water works at too high a price and it was his idea to institute the STRP to increase utility revenue to replace the broken down plant he bought. One has to wonder what special interests Mr. Arceri and Mr. Lazarus have in slapping down the biggest opponent of the STRP on our Council? Why did they feel compelled to accompany old Sal to the Attorney General's Office? Did they put old Sal up to it? What is really motivating these two rascals?

#1 Posted by Lolala on December 24, 2007 at 7:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Remember lolala old Sal carry's a gun, so he said on TV. Also will the city pay for Mr Keister's attorney?

#2 Posted by dc5799 on December 24, 2007 at 9:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Good for you Mr. Kiester! This AG "opinion" needs to be challenged in court. If e-mails between a constituent and his/her councilor are "public records" in the legal sense of the term, why aren't telephone conversations or conversations on the street? They are all means of communication ... e-mails are simply the modern way of personal communication and if they must be preserved, it follows that all telephone conversations must be recorded and preserved and all conversations must be taped or otherwise documented and preserved. Watch out Marco; Big Brother is watching YOU!

Do not let the Arceri's of this world confuse Sunshine Law violations (with which John Arceri was accused) with a public-record violation related to the use of a PERSONAL home computer. Arceri and Kelber were accused of violating the Sunshine Law because of e-mail between the two allegedly discussing city business, said e-mails being FILED ON THE CITY SERVER. Now, if someone had deleted those e-mails from the City Server, there would be a claim that "public records" had been destroyed. But, to extend this to a personal computer jeopardizes every citizen's right to privacy.

Lastly, isn't it interesting that Councilman Tucker, who has said on the record more than once that, if he gets a string of e-mails from citizens he believes are simply complaining, he'll read the first couple and delete the lot! He's at least as "guilty" of "public records" violations as Chuck Kiester. Terri DiSciullo also has admitted deleting e-mails from her personal computer that she didn't think were important to city business.

This whole thing is a political tempest in a teapot brought under the urging of John Arceri and Monte Lazarus (founders of those bastions of truth and civility, Celebrate Marco and Support Marco) by Sal Sciarrino who has castigated anyone who disagrees with him from the city council podium.

Ed Foster

P.S. The city should pay for Mr. Kiester's defense since they saw fit to pay for Messrs. Tucker, Trotter and Minozzi's defense.

P.P.S. Wait for Celebrate Marco and Support Marco to complain that, in defending himself, Chuck Kiester is "costing the city money." He's supposed to lie down and play dead as CARES was supposed to lie down and play dead instead of defending the residents of Marco Island from a City-brought case against its citizens!

#3 Posted by EdFoster on December 24, 2007 at 10:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

One last thing. I reiterate my challenge: when I was Chairman of CARES, I sent numerous e-mails to various members of the city council. I will search my SENT MAIL box and provide the times and dates at which they were sent if someone would confiscate every councilor's personal computer and see if they're there or have been deleted. I'm sure many other citizens would join me in my challenge. The results should be interesting!

Ed Foster

#4 Posted by EdFoster on December 24, 2007 at 10:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I Like Ed Foster,s suggestion ! It is time to see what records have been turned into CITY HALL from the OTHER SIX COUNCIL MEMBERS . NEITHER CITY HALL OR THE STATE OF FLORIDA HAS DEVELOPED REGULATIONS ABOUT COMPUTER USE IN THE HOME OR OFFICE OF A COUNCIL MEMBER . HAS CITY HALL ASKED EACH COUNCIL MEMBER IF THEY DELETED ANYTHING ON THEIR COMPUTERS ? HAVE THEY ASKED FOR ANY RECORDS OF ANYONE OTHER THAN KIESTER ? I DON,T THINK SO. WE are TIRED OF SEEING ANYONE WHO DARES QUESTION THE CITY COUNCIL,S ACTIONS end up being attacked .

#5 Posted by SmokeyJoe on December 24, 2007 at 2:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How about a look in the mirror at yourself lola, as well as the rest of your greedy, self absorbed anti-sewer campaigners? Godfrey Davis is a ring leader trying to smear honest, hardworking, council members and city administrators; and the Hall/Foster/Biles muckrakers have been at the center of the most intense power struggle for power’s sake. The lawsuits these people have waged against the citizens of Marco Island for years now have resulted in massive legal fees for the City’s taxpayers and in every single case the lawsuits were slapped down by every court and every judge.

Someone has to stand up and fight against these outrageous, mean-spirited, power hungry rascals. Keister was a weak link and elected solely because he pandered to your anti-sewer group. He is hiding his emails from public scrutiny because he has plenty to fear. He has been in cahoots with this anti sewer crowd and favored only their opinions. He was their patsy. But he was the councilperson for all Islanders and thus his correspondences in his role as councilman belong to all of us. He has betrayed our trust and a $500 fine is a slap on the wrist as the potential maximum penalty.

As for what motivates the anti-sewerites is seen in the role Godfrey Davies plays working behind the scenes in his selfish real estate interests. He purchased properties in the run up of the investor boom on Marco and got caught with unsold properties in the to be sewered districts. He made plenty of money playing a risky investor role with his realtor wife and now they are angry they have to pay for the sewering on his properties. That is one of the risks of playing investor. He is willing to double or triple his money on his real estate deals, but not ready to pay the piper. He wants to play hardball to find any means to cause the sewering to end before it gets to his properties, including attempts to destroy the reputations of honest men and women serving the public here on Marco. He is willing to drag the entire Island through expensive, fruitless, wasteful lawsuits to serve his selfish ends. And his cadre of malcontents are foolishly continuing to waste our resources and trying to make a power coup of the city council elections, all in an effort to save Mr. Davies from having to pay up on the sewers, the rest of the citizens be blasteded.

I say three cheers for Monte and Arceri. We need brave, intelligent long time civil servants and contributors to Marco Island to help fight off these loathsome bores.
Peace to all in the New Year.

#6 Posted by sailingby on December 24, 2007 at 3:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sailingby:

Read my blog and read yours. Who's the muckraker? Others will read the two blogs together too and come to their own conclusion. You just throw mud everywhere hoping some will stick. What do Roger Hall, Fay Biles (I assume you mean Fay, not Bedford) and I have to do with Monte Lazarus and John Arceri goading poor simple-minded Sal to file charges against Kiester? What? Did it take two of them to carry Sal into the Sheriff's office? He couldn't stagger in on his own? If good ole Monte and John were so interested "Celebating Marco" and smearing Chuck Kiester, why didn't they press charges?

Ed Foster

P.S. Told you it wouldn't take long for you idiots to blame the accused of costing the city money because he's defending himself. Same baloney you passed out when you blamed CARES and me for costing the city money because we had the temerity to defend ourselves and the residents of Marco Island from a suit brought BY THE CITY. Repeat after me: The only STRP-related law suit to go through the full judicial process was brought BY THE CITY AGAINST ITS CITIZENS, the State of Florida, CARES and the Enmans. The STATE ATTORNEY JOINED CARES in opposing the City. Clean the wax from your ears. Open your eyes. I've put it all in capital letters to make it easy for you to understand. Stop lying!

P.P.S. When this is all over and Kiester is exonerated, I'd just LOVE to see him sue Sal, John and Monte for every nickel they have ... but he probably won't; he's too nice a guy. He's no Minozzi!

#7 Posted by EdFoster on December 24, 2007 at 5:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sailingby, if Kiester was a "weak link" what do you call all the folks who voted for him? Unlike Councilman Minozzi, Councilman Kiester actually won a political election he didn't take his seat by default. Calling the enviornmental supporters of CARES and the 2,000 or more citizens that signed recall petitions power hungry would make Thomas Jefferson roll over in his grave. The voters are participating in something called Democracy. I'm honored to know Godfrey Davis, unlike John Arceri and Monte Lazarus he believes in majority rule and that is what he is trying to achieve. If you want to give our hometown back to it's residents vote for Batte, Hall, Guidry and Neylon. If you want to continue with higher taxes, higher utility fees and arrogant rule by folks who believe they know what is good for us and believe the voters are "weak links" vote for all the rest.

#8 Posted by bbyrone46 on December 25, 2007 at 8:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Environmental supporters of CARES"? Who are you kidding bb? The CARES contingent was about refusing to have to pay for the sewers not about any high minded environmental sentiment. The swales were designed to collect rain runoff and before there were conduits the rain water filtered through the ground and migrated back to the canals through the area where septic tanks are located. There is nothing environmentally sound about this system.

As the tides raise the level of water in the canals the level of water is also raised in the ground water under our homes around the septic systems. Septic systems’ contents leech into the surrounding ground and are under water when the tides are high. This is not environmentally appropriate. While the action of tides carries the contents out to sea the evidence left behind in the nutrient rich canals clouds our water in algae. While it is suggested that fertilizer runoff contributes to this problem too, that does not discount the effects of tides on the underground septic tanks.

An attempt to recall the councilors supporting the septic tank replacement program was purely brought about by residents not wanting to pay for the sewer system. They could have had an argument that the price was too steep but the council went to great lengths to provide alternative payment methods including one that avoids payment at all until the property is sold. The cost is high. I know, I have to pay it too. But the democratically elected council made the decision in the best interests of the whole island.

To support the single issue candidates you suggest based solely on their promises to overturn the septic tank replacement program is detrimental to the financial well being of the island. It is detrimental to the environmental well being of the island and it is detrimental to the long term governing of the island since we have other concerns than just this issue. Finally I suggest voting for anyone but those candidates because they have shown how angry and mean spirited they are when in front of the council. They are argumentative and belligerent and generally very unpleasant to watch. I do not want to have a city run by these candidates.

#9 Posted by conchsoup on December 25, 2007 at 9:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Conchsoup:

You have an amazing ability to know with certainty what people think and the reasons behind their actions. I'd think you were God except that you have your science wrong and cannot support your statements with facts.

Ed Foster

#10 Posted by EdFoster on December 26, 2007 at 9:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

conchsoup, it's about an arrogant council that spent the last two years passing resolutions to impose tremendous financial burdans on our citizens. It's about an arrogant council that never thought to seek permission via referendums for multi million dollar projects. It's about an arrogant council that refused to believe that asbestos fibers were dangerious to the health of our community. It's about an arrogant council that refused to believe that hydrogen sulfide gas was harmful to the health of our citizens. It's about an arrogant council moving money around to pay for something we do not need. It's about an arrogant council that spent all of our reserves. It's about an arrogant council that unnecessarily accelerated a multi million dollar project to ensure a new council could not stop it without bringing financial ruin to our city. It's about an arrogant council that made false accusations against our citizens. It's about an unresponsive council that believed it had a mandate even though one member ran unoposed and another ran under false promises. It's about change and about giving our city back to the residents. It's about giving our people choices and reduced utility rates. It's about bringing re-use water to our neighborhoods. It's about good transparent government. Vote for Bate, Guidry, Hall and Neylon or vote for coninued arrogance. You now have a choice, that's more than the current council ever gave you.

#11 Posted by Hawke1 on December 26, 2007 at 11:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hawke1,
Bravo, that say's it all.

#12 Posted by dc5799 on December 26, 2007 at 12:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Most islanders see the outrageous antics of the anti-STRP crowd as disruptive and counterproductive. They are REALLY tired of your constant haranguing. They have known the councilmen and women for many years and have worked with them on countless civic organizations. They voted for them already and know them to be honest and hardworking and trust their judgment. In fact most citizens are benefiting from the changes not only from the beautification of the island but also for the environmentally sound decision to complete the sewer project. They have respect for the decisions made by the council and have noted that the upgrades increase the value of their property.

What they hear and see of you is annoying, incessant whining and crankiness. You are berating them for their election decisions and your criticisms fly in the face of what they see before them. The Island has never looked more beautiful. They see you ran off a well respected city manager who was grabbed up by a neighboring city. Naples would never have hired Mr. Moss if he were guilty of half the awful things you accuse of him of. You have no longevity here. You have no history here. You are Johnny-come-latelys (except for poor Mrs. Biles who most of us know and just shake our heads about).

You have always threatened that the next battle you will win, but you have always lost. Every single time you have lost. You lost repeatedly on appeals and even when you went to the Florida Supreme Court. You always say the next battle is your big one and you will take over control. But you lose every time. You lost the recall battle. You lost all the lawsuits you brought against the city for how they made the decision on the STRP.

Some people are just slow to grasp reality and like a stubborn child having a particularly long tantrum think they are actually going to convince the adults to respond differently.

#13 Posted by conchsoup on December 26, 2007 at 1:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Moss was not run off the Island. Bill bolted just as Reinke would if he could. Bill saw the handwriting on the wall.

#14 Posted by dc5799 on December 26, 2007 at 1:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Chonchsoup said "the council went to great lengths to provide alternative payment methods including one that avoids payment at all until the property is sold." unfortunitly many people will not be able to sell their house once they have a $20,000 City lien on it, if you bought you house in the last 4 years you most likely do not have any equity in it and will need to bring money to the closing if you find a buyer. Some people may no be able to sell their home if they need to come up with the 20 grand.

#15 Posted by 15yearsmarco on December 26, 2007 at 2:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

15years, you forgot to mention the added interest for waiting 20 years to pay the assessment. The price tag for the sewer will be much, much higher than 20 thousand dollars. The deferred payment method was designed so that the city wouldn't have to be embarrassed when elderly citizens would be put on the street because they didn't have the 20 thousand. If our less fortunate take this course they or their inheritors will of course be taken to the cleaners when they sell the house by our generous city for far more than the wealthy who paid up front. I call it ripping off the poor.

#16 Posted by Hawke1 on December 26, 2007 at 8:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Conchsoup:

You must have been beating your mollusk brain against your shell. Do you realize what you just said? You said: "Most islanders ... voted for them (the present councilors) already and know them to be honest and hardworking and trust their judgment." I assume you mean Forcht and Kiester since they are two of the three that will remain on the next council.

You also said: "most citizens ... have noted that the upgrades increase the value of their property." Are you serious? You can't give away property in this war zone!

You say: "The Island has never looked more beautiful." Duh! Go to Pearle; go to Costco; go to Lenscrafters; go anywhere, but get yourself a pair of glasses! The island has never looked worse!

You blather to hear yourself talk. You have no idea of what you are saying. You are your own worst enemy. Keep it up!

Ed Foster

#17 Posted by EdFoster on December 26, 2007 at 10:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You sound worried Ed. Perhaps if you cleaned your septic tank fogged glasses you could see the beauty of Marco Island from the moment you peak the crest of the Jolley Bridge and enter our little piece of paradise. The city managed to complete the Collier Boulevard project on time (actually a few days early) and it is looking very good. The trees lining Collier and San Marco are adding to the tropical feeling. The medians will only enhance the effect when completed.
The housing bust you try to blame on the city is silly. I don't think you even really believe that.
You sound like an angry old man trying anything to wreck his revenge for his early failures. Don't be bitter. Life is too short. Go for a walk on South Collier Blvd. and enjoy the stroll.

#18 Posted by sunalsorises on December 27, 2007 at 11:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Bbrone46, you really are an arrogant conceited know it all who in reality, much like Neylon and Hall, knows very little.

You state that “Unlike Councilman Minozzi, Councilman Kiester actually won a political election he didn't take his seat by default.” Do you mean that know one ran against him when he got elected? I’d say that was an outstanding show of popularity which showed again in the 2004 election. Why didn’t you run against him? Oh I’m sorry, I forgot, you like Neylon and Hall, were not registered voters for that election. As a matter of fact in the 2004 election Councilor Minozzi came in second in a field of eight candidates while Councilor Kiester came in third in a field of seven. So what does this prove, nothing except Councilor Minozzi and Councilor Kiester were both popular candidates when they ran and you like your buddies Neylon and Hall again show that you do not anything at all about what you are talking about.

#19 Posted by PetePan on December 27, 2007 at 3:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Foster you worthless know it all, you are a twit! You are the epitome of a pitiful narcissist, full of feelings of self inadequacies that are only outweighed by your exasperating ego. Did you move off of Marco Island or are you a registered voter here? You are pathetic and I feel sorry for you. Get a life, really, get a life for crying out loud.

#20 Posted by Montel on December 27, 2007 at 5:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

montel...SHUTUP!!!! ED...SHUTUP!!!! LET THE SYSTEM WORK...NEITHER OF YOU TWO CHARACTERS ARE DOING ANY GOOD....NO ONE PAYS ANY ATTENTION TO YOU....SHUT UP FOR A WHILE....JEEEEEZ.
MONTE....you appear to be the most hateful individual on the island....take a break....breathe deep....kiss your wife...do whatever....just SHUTUP!

#21 Posted by van on December 27, 2007 at 9:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ed, let these bozos vent. they know the end is near and they're gripp'n.

na na na na na na na na hey hey hey gooodbye ya.

#22 Posted by lowus on December 27, 2007 at 11:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

PetePan, getting a little personal are we? I agree with bbyrone46 winning an uncontested election isn't a mandate nor does it show popularity as you suggest. Being supported by your neighborhood and being elected in a contested election by the entire electorate for an "at large" seat is a much more difficult thing to do. Kiester's election also revealed the extent of the unhappiness with Councilman Arceri's STRP assessment. Something Councilman Minozzi would have done well to recognize. Unfortunately he and three other members of the council choose to ignore this important issue. So today, we find that four candidates are running on the same platform that won Councilman Kiester's seat. Some folks never learn I guess. See you at the polls.

#23 Posted by Hawke1 on December 28, 2007 at 7:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Dear Chuck: I would suggest you hold off and save your attoney's fees for about two weeks. You will need plenty of money when it comes time to defend yourself. And no, we taxpayers do not have to pay for defense of Criminal Activity. My Christmas wish came through and all the e-mails that you deleted will soon be available to all on Marco Island and to Mr. Dillon. The charges brought thus far by the State Attorney's office are nothing compared to the anticipated criminal activity that took place between you and Ed Banya, Butch Neylon, and others. Of course, we will have the e-mails shortly and we look forward to those that took place between you and Mr. Neylon. Should make for good campaign fodder.
By the way, go ahead and do what Mr. Foster suggests. Mr. Arceri and Mrs. Kelber have already been vindicated of any wrongdoing for false charges and politically motivated charges brought by your buddy Butch Neylon.
Ed Issler

#24 Posted by lauralbi1 on December 28, 2007 at 8:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

After reading the many blogs poster by Ed Foster I checked out hs website and read the whole sad tale of why he resigned, it is really a classic story. In Fosters eyes, he is the knight in shining armor, the bad guys hoodwinked him to keep him away from the battleground, a weak substitute (Enman) was sent in to do battle, a traitor, the lawyer (Gold) switched sides to get paid (and in turn intimidated the CARES Board with the bad advice he gave), our knight Foster now stands tall, looks over the battlefield and points out everything his allies did wrong, while he is still unscarred from the battle, declares victory for himself, leaves his fallen comrades to their own resources and rides out into the sunset. Grade C movie, with an "F" rated leading actor.
Among other things, all you Shakespeare scholars know that the quote about "...let's kill all the lawyers..." is taken out of context, and has exactly the opposite meaning given by Foster (I think I'll send him a copy of "Shakespeare for Dummies" or better yet, a copy of “Dummies for Dummies”). The quote comes from a member of Jack Cade's anarchistic mob. He wants to kill all the lawyers because they represent the Rule of Law. Cade agrees and has a man condemned to death for knowing how to read and write. No wonder Foster wants to kill all the lawyers...
Then there was the issue of the mysteriously asbestos on Site C which was brought to the attention of the city by, guess who, Ed Foster. This site has already been remediated by a state regulated company. Now Foster has moved off the Island and out of the state yet he still continues to post blogs as if he is a registered voter. It’s time for this contemptible piece of work to leave us alone; he has caused enough trouble for Marco Islanders. In my book, Ed Foster no longer exists and will be ignored…I encourage others reasonable people to do the same.

#25 Posted by Montel on December 28, 2007 at 9:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Chuck, I'd be less worried about fighting the $500 fine and much more worried about the impending release of your “accidentally deleted” emails. A lot of us can't wait to read the dialog (plotting) between you, Davies, Neylon, Hall, Batte and others. That should be your real concern. These emails will unquestionably affect the outcome of the election some feel is predetermined. Sorry guys, you're the ones sounding desperate because you know what's in those emails.

#26 Posted by MarcoFacts on December 28, 2007 at 10:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Montel you moron,without Ed foster there would be no reason to even log on.

#27 Posted by dc5799 on December 28, 2007 at 10:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

dc5799 you are 100% correct; without Foster we wouldn't be fighting right now. What would the bloggers do then??

Community service perhaps??

Something productive for our city??

Maybe even out enjoying the beauty around us??

You do know that we live in the center of the 10,000 Islands, a nationally protected area that the federal EPA has vowed to protect. Part of this protection comes in the form of completing the STRP.As for me possibly being a moron, I have actually been called worse. The difference between people like you and me is that I do my homework and research, I don’t listen to people who simply say what I want to hear!

One more for you…Without Foster the city would be $500,000.00 richer because the citizens wouldn't have been burdened with all the unnecessary court costs Foster caused…but yet you still defend him which makes me wonder who the real moron is!

#28 Posted by Montel on December 28, 2007 at 11:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

dc5799

"Montel you moron,without Ed foster there would be no reason to even log on." Wouldn't life be just grand without Ed what's his name, peace and tranquility.

Haven't you morons figured it out yet, Ed Foster has left the building, he ran out on you his supporters after he spent 50K of your contributions.

Anyone ever seen a CARES accounting.

#29 Posted by PetePan on December 28, 2007 at 11:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

joeywalnuts,

What is wrong is Foster sticking his nose in Marco Island business, he is no longer a resident. He lit the fire and the ran for cover.

A voter perhaps, a resident NO!!!

#30 Posted by PetePan on December 28, 2007 at 11:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Now they are writing to each themselves:)

#31 Posted by Hawke1 on December 28, 2007 at 1:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Marco Island won't be whole until evil doers John Arceri, Monty Lazarus and Sal Sciarrino are purged from the island. We don't need thugs like them around. Let's send them packing to Myrtle Beach and see how long they last. Or maybe we could just drop them along alligator alley and watch the fun. Vicious, mean-spirited and nasty people (them) are the scourge of the earth.

#32 Posted by lutherdog on December 28, 2007 at 2:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dog:
Whose the vicious, mean-spirited nasty person? Read your post again. You win the title hands down. (Bet you're happy to finally win anything on the anti-sewer side).

#33 Posted by sunalsorises on December 28, 2007 at 3:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Where's the "SUNSHINE" in this little email string.

From public records......email of how the STRP fiasco started.

Vice Chair John Arceri to City Manager Bill Moss, Bill Moss back to John Arceri, Bill Moss to Councilor Jeannette Patterson, with a BLIND COPY back to John Arceri.

Wednesday, March 01, 2006 9:24:29 PM
Message
From: arcmi@comcast.net
Subject: Tigertail and Fixed Costs
To: Bill Moss
Attachments: Attach0.html 1K

Bill,

As I mentioned to you it would be good if we could frame the approval of the
Tigertail contracts Monday night in such a way that the fixed cost plan is
understood to be a "go". Jeanette Patterson may come on board if, and only if,
there is this tie to the fixed plan she proposed. You had mentioned that there
would be something in the yellow agenda sheet but there was no mention of the
fixed cost plan.

Bill, any idea how this could be structured (motion) so that all would
understand that the fixed cost plan is a given? I surely don't want it to be a
prerequisite which could hold up the contracts for a while.

John Arceri

Thursday, March 02, 2006 10:19:40 AM
Message
From: Bill Moss
Subject: Re: Tigertail and Fixed Costs
To: arcmi@comcast.net

Dear Vice-Chair:

Sorry. I was thinking that the revised cost reflected Council's decision, but
of course the fixed costs do not apply to Tigertail. I will send the yellow
sheet to Councilor Patterson with an explanation.

Bill Moss
Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:26:26 AM
Message
From: Bill Moss
"Barbara Lawrence"
Subject: Fwd: March 6 Agenda Items
To: Jeannette K. Patterson
Bcc: John Arceri
Attachments: Attach0.html 1K
AGENDA YELLOW SH MAR 6-for .doc 75K

Dear Councilor Patterson:

Sorry that you will have a full agenda for your last meeting. There are not
many issues, but a couple of them may take some time. Attached is the agenda
and the yellow sheets for two of the more public issues--Award of Contract for
Construction in the Tigertail Assessment District, and Discussion regarding use
of Veterans Community Park.

You will note that the cost for the Tigertail assessment has dropped
considerably. There is no mention of the Council approved "fixed construction
cost" for future assessments, since the actual bid is the fixed construction
cost. Future districts costs will be fixed as approved by City Council, and
property owners will be informed this summer as to their ability to lock in the
cost for protection in future years.

We believe CARES will make a concerted effort to encourage people to speak
against the award. It will be interesting to learn how many objections are from
the 253 property owners in the district .

Please advise should you have any questions on any agenda matter.

Bill Moss
City Manager
bmoss@cityofmarcoisland.com

#34 Posted by jockey on December 28, 2007 at 4:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am enjoying reading these blogs. I think the silent majority has finally woken up! The last straw has broken the camels back. It was ok for Neylon to attack former council members without any facts but now the Attorney General, Arceri, Lazarus and Sal are getting attacked for a filing a legitimate claim against Kiester. If you can dish it out cave dwellers you had better be prepared to take it in return!!

#35 Posted by jchamberland on December 28, 2007 at 4:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jockey, the AG said there is NO, I repeat, NO Sunshine violation in all of the emails between Arceri and Kelber. You obviously don't know anything about the Sunshine Laws. It is also obvious that no one is safe from your idiocy, not even the AG, if you disagree with them.

#36 Posted by jchamberland on December 28, 2007 at 4:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jchamberland

This email string doesn't involve Kelber. What the hell are you talking about?

This is Arceri giving orders to Moss, Moss acknowledges and then primes Patterson ready for a crucial Council vote on the STRP, and then blind copies the "mastermind" Arceri on "mission accomplished"

Patterson had no idea that her email from the City Manager was being blind copied back to Arceri who was originally behind her being duped.

What about the other councilors....where were they in this little shade deal.....THEY WERE EXCLUDED.

Do you want to see more email like the one posted. Maybe we all need to get educated on how the STRP was pushed along by John Arceri in an effort to cover his bungling of the Water plant purchase.

#37 Posted by jockey on December 28, 2007 at 5:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

NOTICE THE NAMES...italians....THEY ALL END A VOWEL. bet they're all from NY, NJ.
MONTEL....you are truly an idiot,,,as is issler...maybe he's a little bigger idiot...don't know...will have to check the italian registry for idiots.

#38 Posted by van on December 28, 2007 at 9:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

and ed foster..while i agree with some of your arguments....please take a rest! let us folks on marco decide the electorate....you are stirring the pot for no real reason....i don't know you from a load of beans but give it a rest....enjoy your life wherever you are....quit stirring the pot...we have the election under control.

#39 Posted by van on December 28, 2007 at 9:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

all I want for christmas is for Jan. 29th to get here.

#40 Posted by lowus on December 28, 2007 at 11:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

van, you bigoted moronic jerk, MONTEL, ISSLER? They end in vowels? A E I O U what school you went any how.

Moron: A person of subnormal intelligence.

Moronic: A person having a mental age of between eight and twelve years.

Pick one they both fit.

#41 Posted by PetePan on December 28, 2007 at 11:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Petepan, there you go again, being personal and hateful. You are one of the meanest spirited writers on these blogs. Try anger management classes at the hospital before you hurt someone in your family or end up in prison.

#42 Posted by Hawke1 on December 29, 2007 at 6:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Can't wait until the election is over and this nonsensical bantering stops. Unfortunately, I think that after Recker, Trotter, Gibson and Waldack take office and the antagonists see they are nothing more than a vocal minority they will still probably litter the council meetings with their constipated faces and continue to inssessantly complain; they will never learn!

#43 Posted by Sailor on December 29, 2007 at 8:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hawke1, not said in anger just stating observation and an opinion. Racial bigotry has no place in Marco politics or anywhere in our society, if you think it does then refer to the two definitions above.

#44 Posted by PetePan on December 29, 2007 at 9:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

PetePan: What does "racial bigotry" have to do with anything? I wasn't aware that Italy or New York had a specific race of people endemic to that State. Does the word ethnicity mean anything to you? Or have you discarded that word and become one of those liberal politicaly correct folks that prefer the term race to describe those born of the same ancestor? You know like brothers and sisters producing offspring? But then why should I be surprised? The supporters of Gibson, Recker, Waldack and Trotter all appear to be liberal left wingers. If not why would they want to continue the big spending, big government and increased tax policies of former councilmember Arceri? A vote for those fellows is a vote for Arceri influence and meddling in Marco Island governance.

#45 Posted by Hawke1 on December 29, 2007 at 10:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Just remember citizens, a vote for Guidry, Hall, Neylon and Batte is a vote for Godfrey Davies. Do you really want Davies making decisions for the well-being of our city? Their plan is that if elected these guys will not only stop the STRP (which will cost all of us increased utility rates) but will also hire Davies as the city manager. What are his qualifications?? What will happen to our city?? He has no qualifications and will make all decisions based on what is best for him. Davies is a good example of why the USA should close its boarders and not let any more aliens come into our country.

The City Charter on the Qualifications of a City Manager
DIVISION 2. CITY MANAGER*
__________
*Charter references: City manager, § 4.01 et seq.
__________
Sec. 2-81. Office established; qualifications.
(a) There shall be a city manager, who shall be the chief administrative officer of the city. The city manager shall be responsible to the council for the administration of all city affairs placed in the manager's charge by or under the Charter.
(b) The selection of a city manager shall be based on education, experience, and administrative background.
(Ord. No. 98-23, art. 2, § 1, 12-7-1998)

#46 Posted by Para_Rescue_38th on December 30, 2007 at 1:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Do you think Bill Moss was responsible to the council, or was the council responsible to Bill Moss?

#47 Posted by dc5799 on December 30, 2007 at 2:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Para_Rescue it's true! As far fetched as it may sound, I have heard first hand that if the Hate Slate gets elected they plan to make Godfrey Davies city manager. But don't worry, the silent majority has awaken and the vocal minority, which Davies is the leader, will be soundly defeated at the polls!

#48 Posted by CelebrateMarco on December 30, 2007 at 4:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Be careful Para, if Davies finds out who you are you could end up with slashed tires, egged house a mailbox knocked down or worse.

#49 Posted by Sailor on December 30, 2007 at 7:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey, Davies might just be a good choice for city mngr, the next city mngr better be one tough SOB, and Davies is just that.

#50 Posted by exposed on December 30, 2007 at 7:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I can't speak for eveyone but everyone I talk to is sick and tired of all of these negative people who want their way no matter what. Remember the well written article by Micheal Peltier entitled, "State Supreme Court seems skeptical of Marco CARES" claims, attorney Gold has continually convinced the CARES board, whoever they are, into yet one more embarrassing joke of a law suit. It has been obvious for a long time that the CARES, POP, RECALL, MITA cabal are desperately grasping for straws. Their ship has sunk and there are no life rafts. Rats run when the ship starts to sink as proven by Foster. There is no question that their spin masters are spinning the long string of losses to make it look like somehow they were wronged by the judicial system. But the fact remains the same they lost every court case they initiated and cost all of us taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars defending frivolous lawsuits.

Where is MITA, our self proclaimed tax watchdogs now? MITA should be leading the charge to recoup these unnecessary legal fees from CARES and the recall committee. To cause this much disruption to the city, to cause this much heartache to the council and staff and to lie every time they open their mouths is unconscionable! Enough is enough already. Even Justice Raoul Cantero stated that CARES actions are more political in nature and didn’t require the court’s intervention.
CARES, POP, RECALL and MITA, your actions are transparent. You attack all who disagree with you and defend councilor Kiester who admiitted to wrong doing. I sleep well at night knowing that your plans for the upcoming election may fail; your candidates are toxic and smell of deceit.

#51 Posted by SemperFidelis on December 30, 2007 at 8:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Semper, you are now speaking to many more than the few Celebrate Marco crowd you run around with. Keep going after the majority like you did in the above post and you will ensure Batte, Hall, Guidry and Neylon win this election. Your own words buttess their positions. The words you use and the points you attempt to make actually work against you. I know it is tough to defend the actions of our prior council, especially since their actions have negatively impacted so many of us. Unless your candidates are willing to put money back in our pockets and roll back utility costs, your defense falls on deaf ears. Sailor, please let us know what office Godfrey Davis is running for? Not that I care, but shouldn't you and the rest of the Celebrate Marco crew be directing your comments to those who you will have to contend with in the very near future?

#52 Posted by bbyrone46 on December 30, 2007 at 8:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Godfrey Davies has my vote for CM, figure he can manage 4 winning candidates in one election he should be able to run a city.

#53 Posted by lowus on December 30, 2007 at 11:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Davies doesn't qualify, he doesn't have the credentials. Plus, he isn't managing winning candidates. bbyrone46, I appreciate your statements but your candidates will not have to be contended with. They are losing candidates whose campaign is run and supported by consistent losers. Just read the blog above from Semper Fi, he clearly states the truth. In case you didn't know, Semper Fidelis means "Faithful Forever." I respect Batte because he is a Marine and I respect Guidry's military service but they are misled. Neylon and Hall are just liars.

Keep dreaming bbyrone46 but your candidates don't stand a chance. Driving around with posters in cars and trucks won't win this election.

#54 Posted by Sailor on December 30, 2007 at 11:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

lowus is aka Godfrey Davies, how humble of him to make a post about how tough he is. Big isn't tough! SOB yes, tough, I doubt it. Davies doesn't have the experience, know how or the guts to be city manager.

#55 Posted by jchamberland on December 31, 2007 at 7:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Here we go guessing again. Sailor and jcchamberland, why must you be so personal? Don't you understand how mean spirited you sound? It is hard to take anything you say seriously when you constantly demean your neighbors like you do.

#56 Posted by Hawke1 on December 31, 2007 at 9:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

so i'm Godfrey Davies? wait till I tell my mother.

#57 Posted by lowus on December 31, 2007 at 9:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ohhh, you've been a bad boy Godfrey. If you weren't so big I'd put you over my knee and give you a spanking. These blogs have become really childish. It was a lot more fun when we had issues to debate about rather than people. Let's act like adults and leave the personal insults out of politics and stick to the issues.

#58 Posted by ejburger on December 31, 2007 at 2:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Listen up....the bloody lot of you!!

I haven't said one word on these blogs in several months.

I have never had an interest in any kind of local government job.

I could not to be the City Manager of Marco for several reasons.

One, I have absolutely no experience in that kind of work.

Two, I'm not qualified, and have no credentials.

Three, I wouldn't want to be there when the authorities show up asking all kinds of questions, which they will.

I'm very amused at the rubbish coming from the folks that oppose good government on Marco......you've really let yourselves down. Bloody pathetic.

And, ejburger you must be some kind of real weird kinky illegitimate. Hope we never meet.

Finally, Mr. Douglas, the perimeter of a country is spelled, borders not borderers, and stay out of Marco politics you haven't got a clue.

Godfrey Davies.
406 Driftwood Court,
394-7200.

#59 Posted by GodfreyDavies on December 31, 2007 at 7:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

EJ you're a classic.
Right after you tell Godfrey Davies that 'if he wasn't so big you'd take him over your knee and spank him', you state that these blogs have 'become really childish'
You Celebrate Marco gangsters have a reality check coming Jan. 29th.

#60 Posted by lowus on December 31, 2007 at 7:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Godfrey Davies will not be bullied, embarrased, spoken down to..spoken up to.
He will not be influenced by anyone interest or any threat.
He has as many people upset off at him on his side as well as the other side.
He's tough, he tells it like it is, he rubs people the wrong way and doesn't regret any decision he makes. I've wanted to kick the big Welch illegitimate in the as% myself on several occasions.
So with that said, Godfrey Davies is the epitome of the guy you would most want in the 'foxhole' with you, and anyone who knows him know exactly what I mean.
Like him or not he's steadfast in his goal - undoing the wrongs of a government that has lost the people.
History is repleat with leaders like Godfrey, not popular, but are willing to do what ever it takes to do what is RIGHT.
(and may I dare quote)
'Never in the history of Marco has so many owed so much to so few'
So in a year or so from now, when our
neighborhoods are coming back in focus and our voices are once again strong in our local gov't, you raise a toast in honor of this Welch sob - and then get on with life in paradise.

#61 Posted by 7ate9 on December 31, 2007 at 11:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Let's erect a shrine in honor of Godfrey Davies!!

#62 Posted by Montel on January 1, 2008 at 2:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Celebrate Marco can't stand anyone who stands up to them. Keister, Davies and many others are heros. Vote BATTE HALL GUIDRY NEYLON on Jan.29th

#63 Posted by stopthedestructionofmarco on January 1, 2008 at 10:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Will the real Jim Jones please step forward and tell us what to do.

#64 Posted by PetePan on January 1, 2008 at 2:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

petepan, we got Davies, you got ....mmm, Monte Lazarus??... John Aceri...???
In all honesty Pete, you've got to realize your screwed on Jan. 29th.

#65 Posted by stopthedestructionofmarco on January 1, 2008 at 3:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

petepan: Now that Bill Moss is serving his Kool Aid in Naples, you are calling on Jim Jones? Sorry to tell you this, but Jim's time has passed. Maybe John Arceri has some special juice to take the bite off while you seek another.

#66 Posted by Hawke1 on January 2, 2008 at 7:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Anyone read the Island voices in the Eagle today?
Mr&Mrs Povlow must be members of celebrate marco with all the wrong info.

#67 Posted by dc5799 on January 2, 2008 at 11:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)



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